{Harry Potter: A History} Harry Potter v Twilight

Half-Blood Prince Movie Poster (L-R, Hermione, Dumbledore, Harry, Ron)

Recently the Wallstreet Journal suggested that Harry Potter was following in the footsteps of Twilight in terms of marketing and a few other things. WRONG. No, seriously, FACT ERROR major.

It’s a set of some of the most convoluted and delusional stabs I’ve heard in a long time.

The likes of Twilight Source said it themselves, there is no comparison.

Personally, I do not like comparing the two sets of novels because I find them to be so entirely different to one another. But the constant comparisons never seem to cease. So I’m joining the banter in response.

I’m a Potter fan through and through, but I’ve read Twilight and seen the film. So as someone who has read the books – both sets from the very beginning – I could not disagree more with the assumption that Twilight is in the same league as Harry Potter.

It’s not only wishful thinking but impossible.

I would like to present you a few facts (keeping my bias to a minimum, if not non-existent):
(*Warning: Spoilers Below, read with caution if you have not read all seven books*)

Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire, hardcover

1. Harry Potter invented the “midnight parties”

It was the year 2000 and the release of the Goblet of Fire, the fourth book in the Harry Potter series. So let’s not be disillusioned for one second in presuming that Twilight is holding a flame to Potter for the ‘right here, right now.’

It was in 2009, that more than one Barnes and Noble and other sellers cancelled their “midnight parties” for the release of the Twilight DVD because of lack of presales. The one place that remained open was Wal-mart. But guess what? Wal-mart is open 24-hours at some stores anyway.

Harry Potter has never cancelled a “midnight party” yet.

Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince Movie Poster: Hermione looking at Lavender flirting with Ron

2. The Wallstreet Journal’s FACT ERROR: Marketing the Romance, Harry Potter does not copy Twilight

The Wallstreet Journal was sadly mistaken when they suggested that the posters for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince were mirroring those of Twilight.

This is what we call in journalism a FACT ERROR. It gives you an ‘F’ (a failing grade, below 60%) in your JOU101 class in college, and gets you a nasty talking too by your editor at the paper.

Harry Potter kissing Cho Change in the film of Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix

Anyone who has read the Harry Potter books knows for a fact that romance has been a huge part of the Harry Potter books since the Goblet of Fire.

In the Goblet of Fire, Harry Potter has his first crush on Cho Chang.

In the fifth book, the Order of the Phoenix, he kisses her and they also break-up.

If the writer at the Wallstreet Journal, Lauren Schuker, took the time to read the Half-Blood Prince she would know that romance, for the first time in the Potter books, plays a vital role in the story’s plot line. Romance and the relationships of the series are now a secondary story line. So much so, that this secondary story line became one of the seven questions needed to be answered in the Deathly Hallows book – who ended up with who?

I find this utterly baffling, because Lauren Schuker was the SAME journalist who wrote the WSJ article last year, “Voldemort hath no fury like Angry Potter Fans.” She should know better.

So no, in fact, Harry Potter is NOT borrowing from Twilight because, heaven forbid, as the Gawker ALSO pointed out,  Harry Potter actually has its own series of romantic story lines. Several in fact – some of them quite epic.

Case and point: Lily Evans and Severus Snape — to a certain degree — the reason Harry Potter is the way that it is. Who would have guessed the series was based on love?

Deathy Hallows Fan Art: By Kroevyn

Deathy Hallows Fan Art: By Alicia Chan

Deathy Hallows Fan Art: Frodo Bolson

I leave you with that.

Now go read the book(s). You might learn something….

Bellatrix Lestrange fleeing Azkaban in Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix

3. The astounding presale numbers

If we’re talking shop, let’s talk shop.

Four weeks before the movie release of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince newspapers were reporting that some cinemas were selling tickets by the thousands. Yes, thousands of presale tickets.

Less than a week before, popular internet movie site and ticket vendor, Fandango was reporting that Harry Potter has already moved Transformers out of the number one movie spot on its site based on presales alone.

“Considering the early rush of advance online ticketing for the film, MovieTickets.com expects it to be one of its best sellers of all-time,” Grant Marek, a spokesman for MovieTickets.com, said in an e-mail.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is looking to be the biggest film of the year, with it’s four stars said to be worth $100 million dollars.

Twilight’s sequel New Moon to hit cinemas later this year, doesn’t look like it can even compare.

A recent Reuter’s headline: Potter Advance Tickets Outspace Transformers.

Severus Snape, Bellatrix Lestrange & Narcissa Malfoy creating an Unbreakable Vow from Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince

4. The Power of Green

Harry Potter makes money. Not just a little bit of money, it makes a lot of money.

In a smart, and often seen as greedy, move Warner Bros. moved the release of the Half-Blood Prince film from the autumn of 2008 into the summer of 2009.

Many Potter fans were angry. So angry, in fact, that they lambasted the studio’s executives with hate mail and death threats.

Hell hath no fury like a Potter-fan scorned…not even Voldemort.

However, some people, like myself, looked at the move for what it was: monetarily strategic.  The Potter films have outdone Star Wars and James Bond.

Harry Potter is not competing with any other franchise. It is in a league all of its own.

July has always been a Potter month (Books 2,3,4,6 and 7, and films 5 and 6 were all released in July,) so why not continue?

Films are not just about what shows up on the silver screen. They are about memorabilia and what else can be sold. The executives at Warner Bros. were simply insuring their investment. Not that they were ever worried about Twilight stealing Potter’s thunder, for that would be silly.

The executives at the WB were simply ensuring that when they brought the next Potter installment to the public, they brought it with a bang. No one puts Potter in a corner. Especially, not some $12 million dollar ‘independent’ film which hopes to compete with it.

It is safe to infer that if you take away the fans that overlap between Harry Potter and Twilight, Twilight will be reduced to half its worth.

Case and point: MuggleCast.

Muggle Cast is the most popular Harry Potter podcast on iTunes ever (closely followed by PotterCast via The Leaky Cauldron). At it’s peak, MuggleCast was getting upto 50,000 listeners each week worldwide. The same people that brought you Muggle Cast started Imprint: A Twilight Podcast, which has quickly shot up the ratings/downloads to iTunes success.

Scene: Draco Malfoy beats up Harry Potter and hides him under an Invisibility Cloak in Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince

Scene: Voldemort's pet, Nagini, made to reseumble flames in Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince

5. Competing for the audience that is growing up

Again, the Wallstreet Journal committed a grave error in assuming that Potter doesn’t grow with its target audience. 

(*On a side note, is it me? Or should there be a Letter to the Editor about this? Way to mislead people WSJ, well done! So much for journalist who actually know what they’re talking about.)

J.K. Rowling has said on numerous occasions that Harry Potter will get darker as Harry ages. This is not speculation, this is fact.

From the first death in the Goblet of Fire, to the astronomical surprises in the Deathly Hallows, J.K. Rowling spared no expense.

To say that Harry Potter is only for children and teenagers is a wrong calculation. Potter has a wide audience, a wider audience than Twilight. The youngest ages, too young to read about blood suckers and having sex for the first time, are reading Harry Potter over Twilight. And the oldest ages, too seasoned to deal with ample amounts of teenage angst, are reading Harry Potter over Twilight.

This means that Twilight’s target audience are teenage girls. Make no mistake, teenage girls were once children and they grow up. They will grow up into Twilight and they grow up out of Twilight.

The target audiences are, in fact, different.

2008 Twilight movie poster

6. Sex, Rape and Violence

Twilight prides itself on being for young adults and teenagers. This is perfect because this is Twilight’s audience. Sure you have a few people here and there who read the books, but it’s not as large or has the staying power, to hold onto these readers, as Potter does.

This is why:

a) Edward has stalking tendencies

It may have a glamorous appeal to those at a young age: a gorgeous man who can’t get enough of you, he follows you wherever you go, the scent of your blood drives him into madness and he watches you while you sleep…by sneaking into you room in the middle of the night.

The latter, rather than the former, is the end of the game for those who ‘grow up.’ In the real world, this antic is called ‘stalking’ and it is illegal. Furthermore, it scares a lot of people. Adults won’t glamorize this antic the way teenagers will.

Teenagers have this way of feeling that the world revolves around them, and that is perfectly acceptable, it is a part of growing up.

Another part of growing up is moving on. Edward stalking Bella isn’t romantic when you hit adulthood, it’s creepy.

Twilight's New Moon, movie poster & latest book cover

b) Jacob cannot take ‘no’ for an answer

Throughout the four Twilight books, we have Jacob Black. He’s one of Bella’s best friends and he fell in love with her. At some point, he kisses her. Not once, but twice. She tells him no and he can’t stop himself.

To most girls this would be a turn off and Jacob’s constant outright lusting after Bella could be considered sexual harassment.

However, there is a dynamic here, one that isn’t as easily readable unless you really take a look at what you have been reading.

Just as Stephenie Meyer justifies why things happen to her characters (mostly), she justifies this.

Throughout the series, especially in New Moon, when Edward is away – Bella Swan strikes up a deep friendship with Jacob Black. He is her best friend. He understands her, helps her grow, takes her out of depression and gives her a solid foundation to lay upon.

But then Edward returns and everything goes to hell. Literally, there is a gigantic love triangle, Bella can’t stop leading Jacob on, but runs back to Edward for her ‘loving’ etc.,

It’s a vicious cycle, but make no mistake, it is there.

Fan art enhancement of Nikki Reed as Rosalie Hale in Twilight the series.

c) Stephenie Meyer justifies Rosalie’s rape and abuse in all of her novels including, the yet to be released, Midnight Sun.

This is something that I personally find disturbing.

Throughout the books we have a more beautiful that life Cullen named Rosalie Hale. She’s gorgeous and Jacob often refers to her as ‘Barbie’ … a psycho Barbie at that.

The thing is, we find out that Rosalie was turned into a vampire when Carlisle Cullen found her near death and bleeding on the street. It is inferred from the text, that Rosalie was beaten and brutally raped by her ex-fiancé and his friends. That being said, also, throughout the books, Meyer writes about how vain Rosalie is; how shallow she is. And in Midnight Sun she further clarifies this, but having Edward gaze into Rosalie’s mind to only find her thinking about herself.

In all four books, five if you include the unpublished one, Meyer makes it ‘okay’ for the other characters to be mean to Rosalie and consistently hound her for being vain, shallow etc.,

The point I’m trying to make: Her looks perpetrate the terrible treatment she receives.

Then we have Bella Swan, she’s pretty plain looking, not very smart, pretty clumsy and nothing special. Yet, Bella gets everything. She never had to work hard for anything in her life and basically gets the easy way out. From Jacob taking care of her when Edward leaves, to Edward’s family being exceedingly wealthy, to having given birth to the only half-vampire half-human baby, to being the only newborn vampire ever (a contradiction of the universe Meyer created in which she said a] vampires cannot have babies as they are ‘dead’ on the inside and b] newborn vampires are crazy and have extreme bloodlust) not to have the cravings and frenzies of a newborn vampire.

There is no moral struggle, it is not real, it is not completely relatable to real life and Stephenie Meyer seems to justify sexual abuse in her novels.

Is it just me? Or is something very, very wrong here?

d) Violence but not Sex

And the wrongness, continues…

Stephenie Meyer, a very religious Mormon woman, does not write about sex in her novels. In the third book, Eclipse, Bella is urging Edward to have sex with her because she thinks she’s ready. He refuses. Eventually, he gives in, after they get married, in Breaking Dawn.

The thing is, Meyer doesn’t write the explicit scenes, she alludes to them, but contradicts her own beliefs system massively when she writes about massive amount of violence.

Violence, but not sex? Or really?

Let me list it out – In Twilight, Meyer illustrates very well how to kill a vampire, you tear apart the vampires body and burn the pieces. Or in Breaking Dawn, she has no problems writing about the fact that Bella’s half-vampire half-human baby is eating Bella alive from the inside out. The only way for Bella to sustain herself is to drink blood, in a cup, with a straw like it’s Coca-Cola. It is these same scenes where Stephenie Meyer explicitly describes that the Bella-Edward-Hybrid-Baby is so out of this world, that she’s making Bella very pale, and turning her skin all sorts of purple, yellow, green and bluish tints. Hence, being eaten from the inside out.

But no sex? Really?

The irony.

So now I wonder, if the above really makes Twilight a young adult book or an adult book?

Potter doesn’t contradict itself, or make its readers question the author’s sanity.

It’s very simple. Potter maybe not be perfect, as no book is, but it is more seamless by a longshot.

If, as reader, you need not question the author’s sanity, you will continue to REread.

The "Definitive" Mr. Darcy -- Colin Firth in the BBC version of the film.

7. Edward Cullen is NOT Mr. Darcy; Edward Cullen is NOT Heathcliff.

Stephenie Meyer has said in the past that the character of Edward Cullen is based on Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice and Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights.

There is only one problem.

Women love Mr. Darcy; women love Heathcliff; girls adore Edward Cullen.

Being based on great men of literary history, does not make you great, just a mirror image.

Movie poster for Oscar-winning film, for Best Picture etc., The Lord of the Rings: the Return of the King (Bk. III)

8. Let’s not forget the Lord of the Rings

While some people are suggesting that Twilight is the first series to compete against Potter, I must say in terms of the films, these people are sadly mistaken.

A few years back there were a trilogy of films, one of them even winning Best Picture at the Oscars, which competed with the Harry Potter films. It was the Lord of the Rings trilogy produced by Peter Jackson.

Again, fans overlapped. But the distinctive difference between the Lord of the Rings and Twilight will forever be that Tolkien’s book series was never a blip. It survived a few generations to make its name in literary history. Stephenie Meyer’s name will be there, but over time it will be smaller.

Twilight is a fad, it is a blip. It’s over lapping fans are using it to fill the void Harry Potter left behind.

If J.K. Rowling were to write a Harry Potter prequel – one book or seven – from the days of the Marauders leading up into the end of the First War, it should not be mistaken that a 400 million books sold will slowly develop into near a billion.

400 million books sold. Not including Tales of the Beedle Bard or J.K. Rowling Potter "textbooks"

9. 400 million versus 50 million

J.K. Rowling’s book series has sold well over 400 million copies worldwide. Making it one of the largest selling books of all-time, next to the bible, and it holds the world record for the fastest selling set of books…ever.

Stephenie Meyer’s series has sold 50 million copies worldwide. That is roughly one-eighth of what Potter has sold.

The numbers speak for themselves. Interpret them as you wish. But they are there and they do not lie.

Robert Pattinson as Hufflepuff student Cedric Diggory on the left and Robert Pattinson as vampire Edward Cullen on the right

10. Robert Pattinson

And by the way – Cedric Diggory didn’t die…he became Edward Cullen.

Just saying…

Lucius Malfoy in Malfoy Manor

Draco Malfoy in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

Severus Snape in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

11. Fan Fiction, the Draco Malfoy crush and the Slytherin Bad-Boy Syndrome

One of my favourite lines from the Wallstreet Journal article is the last one –

“Nobody really believes you can have magic, but some people believe you can find the perfect guy.”

I was so amused when I read this because it showed how wrong and obviously misinformed the journalist who wrote this piece was.

In all types of writing, journalism, academics etc., typically you choose your last sentence as something to reflect not only your point, but it is the kicker.

Well this kicked the other way.

Allow me to introduce you to something called Fan Fiction and Harry Potter owns it.

Screen Caption from FanFiction.net showing over 3,000 stories written, while Twilight is touching 2,000

Besides for the image above, of FanFiction.net, where you can see that Potter has three times as many postings as Twilight, I encourage you to venture over to a website called HarryPotterFanFiction.com

Harry Potter Fan Fiction houses over 58,000 individual Harry Potter based stories. There is nothing else like it on the internet.

This means the J.K. Rowling awakened an insatiable need in her readers that was not and cannot be filled. So while Twilight, is merely filling the void for the time being, make no mistake that Twilight is not alone.

So if the assumption is, that Edward, his brothers, Jasper and Emmett, are filling the girlhood fantasies of men… then let me be the one to inform you, that you are wrong.

Girls worldwide are getting their same “fixes” from the likes of Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, Draco Malfoy, Lucius Malfoy, Severus Snape and yes, my dears, even Tom Riddle pre-red eyes and a snake’s tongue!

Google it if you are skeptical.

I think you will be entertained and enlightened.

Amazon.com's special edition (only 100,000 copies were made) of a replica of J.K. Rowling hand written charity book, The Tales of the Beedle Bard. The same children's novel, she writes that Dumbledore gave Hermione in the seventh Harry Potter book, the Deathly Hallows.

Salazar Slytherin's locket, and cover of the UK adult version of Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows. A few jewelry making Potter fans, have made replicas of this piece.

12. The Memorabilia

While, Twilight fans may have DuWop creating a Lip Venom lip stain for them, and Mattel making an Edward and Bella Barbie Doll set due out in October – Harry Potter fans have much more than just that.

There is an entire world of shopping that can be done in Harry’s magical world.

From places like the Noble Collection, to Alivan’s to custom made things on Etsy, there is no short supply (though in some opinions there ARE) of memorabilia and no short supply of people who WANT to make it.

That being said, from the Harry Potter Museum tour, to the scenic tours across England, to the collectible Tales of the Beedle Bard nothing says ‘staying power’ and ‘powerhouse’ franchise quite like having all of those and more…like your own theme park.

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter concept photos

13. The Wizarding World of Harry Potter…theme park

Yes, Harry Potter is getting a theme park. Coming in 2010, sprawling 20 acres in the Universal Orlando property – Florida welcomes the Wizarding World of Harry Potter theme park.

I don’t think I need to further make my point.

Enough said.

 

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Sasha Muradali runs the ‘Little Pink Book’ . She holds a B.S. in Public Relations from the University of Florida (’07) and an M.A. in International Administration from the University of Miami(’08). She loves Twitter and all things social media, so you should find her @SashaHalima.

Copyright © 2009 Sasha H. Muradali. All Rights Reserved

Comments

  1. charitytaboas says

    Very well said Sasha. I would also like to add that the “vampire” culture has been around a LOT longer than Twilight. And vampires having babies . . . see the episode of Angel where Angel has a son with another vampire, or take a look at the Blade movies. I haven't read any of the Twilight books, nor seen the movie yet. But then again, I'm a mature female adult that's already had plenty of exposure to the “vampire” culture. Harry Potter though opened a whole new world of magic for me and I'm addicted :).

  2. Thanks Charity! I appreciate your input, well said 🙂

  3. jennaglynn says

    Oh man, I can't believe what a hot debate this has become! While I do admit I have become a complete and total “Twihard” since the movies premier in Nov 08, I think that Twilight (the movies, at least) owe a huge debt of gratitude to Potter for making them so big .. first off, when I first saw Twilight and was introduced to the dreamy Edward Cullen my immediate response was “oh, wasn't that kid in Harry Potter?” I loved Cedric and I thought Pattinson played him well. Second, had WB not pulled Potter from it's original Nov 08 premier date Twilight may have never shined the way it has. Had Twilight instead been Summits “summer Blockbuster” it may have found itself competing with the likes of The Hangover, Transformers 2, and Bruno. While all movies are totally different genres, I'm not sure Edward's sparkling skin could have kept up. This could have meant Twilight missing out on MTV awards, and the Twi actors not landing some key roles they're currently cast in. While I may forever dream of Edward Cullen climbing through my bedroom window and staring at me with dialated-red pupils .. I can't deny that the Twilight movies owe Potter a huge thank you for placing them in the right place at the right time… so with that said, THANKS HARRY!

  4. Oh dear… you're hatred of Twilight is showing lol

    Let's see – HP and romance – wtf? Need I remind you of all the reasons why Harry Potter and Ginny Weasley are the least romantic literary couple to come out in recent fiction?

    Seriously any and all romance written by J.K. Rowling is the most pathetic writing I have ever seen. It's not romance, Sasha, it's a woman trapped by her own predetermined suppositions who can't see what she actually wrote.

    I doubt, highly and most sincerely doubt, that any romance on screen between Harry and Ginny will convince me of the fact Harry's found his match in her. I mean really just go back to movie five, she's 90% in the background except for the DA scenes and when she uses one reducto spell… mmmm-kay.

    In short her romance is convoluted and forced versus real and enduring. Romance has never been anything but a myth in this series. It might be 'present' but it's all fake.

    Don't get me started on Snape loving Lily – I know you're in love with the idea, but honestly I think your bias is getting in the way.

    As for Twilight and it's stalking tendencies with Edward Cullen – meet Angel the vampire, or hell any vampire in any book series – they all seem to stalk it's in their blood (pun intended).

    I agree Twilight and Potter are leagues apart. The only real place where Twilight competes with Potter is in its news coverage and fangirl base. You get girls naked underneath Potter towels throwing themselves at 12/13 yr old Radcliffe in NY in winter. Pattinson gets girls who have pre-bitten themselves asking him to sign their necks… super extreme fangirls are weird. lol

  5. ashleyellene says

    I am going to try to remain unbiased despite my obsession for one book and my disdain for another. Twilight has learned how to brand itself from Harry Potter and owes a huge debt to it. I really don't think that the Meyer books will become a phenomenon on a Harry Potter level so it is very surprising how obviously flawed the WSJ article was.

    This article has highlighted a hot debate that has been going on before the Twilight movie came out. But to me they are incomparable. I think they were written for a different audience.

    Sasha what you said was well said and the WSJ should take note from you well-researched blog post. This post shows how blogs are becoming the fact check for many news organizations.

    On another note, I have read/looked at this article several times today (mostly for the pictures) and your blog has become a force to be reckoned with. Flattery aside. The WSJ should take note.

    @ashleyellene

  6. I completely agree Jenna. Excellent points on “Twilight,” the cast and the
    MTV Movie Awards 🙂

  7. I remember that! The naked Potter girls!

    That seems likes ages ago now. lol

    No, you are right. JKR cannot write romance to save her life — but I also
    know that your bias against not forgiving her for the 7th book and the
    epilogue is getting in the way of your opinion too 🙂

    I can't stand Harry & Ginny…ick. Cringe. But at the end of the day, Potter
    IS based on love:

    If Snape hadn't loved Lily and let his ego get in the way, he would have
    never reported to Voldemort.
    Had Lily not known old magic to love Harry the way she did, he would have
    never survived.
    Had Snape not loved Lily until his dying day, Harry might not have ended up
    the way 'Harry' did.

    It all comes back to the power of love.

    Though, oddly enough, JKR says the main theme of her books are death.

    Go figure.

  8. Thank you very much Ashely!

    You should write the WSJ and send them in my direction! (would you???) 🙂

    I read the article originally linked from Twilight Source and I was very
    surprised, as the same author is the same one who reported on the Potter
    issues previously.

    I mean we aren't talking about a small mistake, we are talking about
    multiple FACT ERRORs. That is a huge deal. The journalist is clearly
    misinformed and misinforming others.

    Some of my obvious bias from above aside, it doesn't take bias to see that
    a) Twilight owes Harry Potter in more than one way
    b) Love is an underlying theme in the Potter books. It's a secondary
    storyline to the main Harry v. Voldemort, in book 6 and — Love is the the
    reasons that
    1) Harry survived as a child, 2) The entire story happened to begin with in
    terms of Severus and Lily and 3) It was Severus and Lily that helped the
    'Harry Potter' end the way it did. Three types of love: family love, blind
    love, redeemed love.

    Simple really. So to say that Potter is copying Twilight — well that is
    certainly laughable.

    To anyone who has read both of the books — those facts are quite simply
    that — FACTs.

    Thanks again, Ashley!

  9. Nope – still not buying the love crap. HP7 is dead to me. It was such a fanfic piece. I bet the real writer was bought and hushed up because a good half of that book was based on scenes in fanfics that I read and were written better.

    Death, now that I get.

    3 Hallows – cheating the real Death. They hide you from death so you can't die, make you unkillable/unbeatable in a duel, and bring back the dead.

    Grindelwald – had uber wand – all power in attempt to … cheat death.

    Voldemort – his name means flight from death – his biggest fear – death. He attacks Harry b/c of a prophecy and Harry's similar genetics.

    Horcruxes – objects that become a vessel for a part of the soul to keep the soul bound to the earth and unable to go to the afterlife.

    Dementors– evil, soul sucking creatures, that not only look like death but can deliver it in the most painful of ways.

    Killing Curse– need I say more?

    Inferi– akin to zombies.

    Archway in Department of Mysteries… voices behind it, fall through it and never appear again – death's door.

    Deaths of Harry's parents, Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore, Fred, Hedwig, etc. (see your list.)

    —-

    Then there's one thing I never got. If Harry's afraid of dementors he's really afraid of death and depression. To be afraid of a bogart is to fear, fear itself… but then JKR would have to say what a bogart really looked like and she can't do that… she'd have to kill you first. lol

  10. Nope – still not buying the love crap. HP7 is dead to me. It was such a fanfic piece. I bet the real writer was bought and hushed up because a good half of that book was based on scenes in fanfics that I read and were written better.

    Death, now that I get.

    3 Hallows – cheating the real Death. They hide you from death so you can't die, make you unkillable/unbeatable in a duel, and bring back the dead.

    Grindelwald – had uber wand – all power in attempt to … cheat death.

    Voldemort – his name means flight from death – his biggest fear – death. He attacks Harry b/c of a prophecy and Harry's similar genetics.

    Horcruxes – objects that become a vessel for a part of the soul to keep the soul bound to the earth and unable to go to the afterlife.

    Dementors– evil, soul sucking creatures, that not only look like death but can deliver it in the most painful of ways.

    Killing Curse– need I say more?

    Inferi– akin to zombies.

    Archway in Department of Mysteries… voices behind it, fall through it and never appear again – death's door.

    Deaths of Harry's parents, Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore, Fred, Hedwig, etc. (see your list.)

    —-

    Then there's one thing I never got. If Harry's afraid of dementors he's really afraid of death and depression. To be afraid of a bogart is to fear, fear itself… but then JKR would have to say what a bogart really looked like and she can't do that… she'd have to kill you first. lol

  11. I am going to try to remain unbiased despite my obsession for one book and my disdain for another. Twilight has learned how to brand itself from Harry Potter and owes a huge debt to it. I really don't think that the Meyer books will become a phenomenon on a Harry Potter level so it is very surprising how obviously flawed the WSJ article was.

    This article has highlighted a hot debate that has been going on before the Twilight movie came out. But to me they are incomparable. I think they were written for a different audience.

    Sasha what you said was well said and the WSJ should take note from you well-researched blog post. This post shows how blogs are becoming the fact check for many news organizations.

    On another note, I have read/looked at this article several times today (mostly for the pictures) and your blog has become a force to be reckoned with. Flattery aside. The WSJ should take note.

    @ashleyellene

  12. I completely agree Jenna. Excellent points on “Twilight,” the cast and the

    MTV Movie Awards 🙂

  13. I remember that! The naked Potter girls!

    That seems likes ages ago now. lol

    No, you are right. JKR cannot write romance to save her life — but I also

    know that your bias against not forgiving her for the 7th book and the

    epilogue is getting in the way of your opinion too 🙂

    I can't stand Harry & Ginny…ick. Cringe. But at the end of the day, Potter

    IS based on love:

    If Snape hadn't loved Lily and let his ego get in the way, he would have

    never reported to Voldemort.

    Had Lily not known old magic to love Harry the way she did, he would have

    never survived.

    Had Snape not loved Lily until his dying day, Harry might not have ended up

    the way 'Harry' did.

    It all comes back to the power of love.

    Though, oddly enough, JKR says the main theme of her books are death.

    Go figure.

  14. Thank you very much Ashely!

    You should write the WSJ and send them in my direction! (would you???) 🙂

    I read the article originally linked from Twilight Source and I was very

    surprised, as the same author is the same one who reported on the Potter

    issues previously.

    I mean we aren't talking about a small mistake, we are talking about

    multiple FACT ERRORs. That is a huge deal. The journalist is clearly

    misinformed and misinforming others.

    Some of my obvious bias from above aside, it doesn't take bias to see that

    a) Twilight owes Harry Potter in more than one way

    b) Love is an underlying theme in the Potter books. It's a secondary

    storyline to the main Harry v. Voldemort, in book 6 and — Love is the the

    reasons that

    1) Harry survived as a child, 2) The entire story happened to begin with in

    terms of Severus and Lily and 3) It was Severus and Lily that helped the

    'Harry Potter' end the way it did. Three types of love: family love, blind

    love, redeemed love.

    Simple really. So to say that Potter is copying Twilight — well that is

    certainly laughable.

    To anyone who has read both of the books — those facts are quite simply

    that — FACTs.

    Thanks again, Ashley!

  15. Nope – still not buying the love crap. HP7 is dead to me. It was such a fanfic piece. I bet the real writer was bought and hushed up because a good half of that book was based on scenes in fanfics that I read and were written better.

    Death, now that I get.

    3 Hallows – cheating the real Death. They hide you from death so you can't die, make you unkillable/unbeatable in a duel, and bring back the dead.

    Grindelwald – had uber wand – all power in attempt to … cheat death.

    Voldemort – his name means flight from death – his biggest fear – death. He attacks Harry b/c of a prophecy and Harry's similar genetics.

    Horcruxes – objects that become a vessel for a part of the soul to keep the soul bound to the earth and unable to go to the afterlife.

    Dementors– evil, soul sucking creatures, that not only look like death but can deliver it in the most painful of ways.

    Killing Curse– need I say more?

    Inferi– akin to zombies.

    Archway in Department of Mysteries… voices behind it, fall through it and never appear again – death's door.

    Deaths of Harry's parents, Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore, Fred, Hedwig, etc. (see your list.)

    —-

    Then there's one thing I never got. If Harry's afraid of dementors he's really afraid of death and depression. To be afraid of a bogart is to fear, fear itself… but then JKR would have to say what a bogart really looked like and she can't do that… she'd have to kill you first. lol